Measure Now toggle icon

davehocum 3 years ago in Software / PC-DMIS updated by neil.kay 2 weeks ago 25

Add a Warning dialog window when this toggle is ON or some type of control to allow the user to be able to know the Auto Feature will be executed.

I agree. Maybe a messagebox that says "The feature will now be measured"? Or perhaps change the "OK" button to amber when the icon is checked/active. That would be an easy, non-intrusive way to visually display the "measure now" state.

I like this idea. Maybe an exclamation mark as graphics can be activated when the both measure now and mode/dcc are activated.

This is part of the whole user interface blending into one bland mess.   It's hard to see that a tiny little button is depressed.  Or tell one tool bar from another since they are pretty much all the same color. Or if you click on a tool bar item it's hard to see that the item has been toggled on or off.   End of rant....

True.  But if they made every button stand out than it would be obnoxious.  I think pop up warnings, as cumbersome as they may be sometimes, is the key.  OR if you could have a 'safety' toggle that disables or enables measure now. 

Measure Now is really useful when programming, but once it's programmed and a simple edit causes a crash it .. is not fun.

I work in quality; Obnoxious I can handle...   It's hunting for the icon/ button that is camouflaged in with all the other buttons that bother me

Hunting for it to turn it on or turn it off?

yes, both...

When nearly everything is the same color and there is not that much contrast between the foreground and the background, it can be harder than what it needs to be to find something. I've been working with the new color scheme since it first came out and still have difficulties at times.  It has gotten somewhat better.  If I were buying brand new and things were pretty much even between competing systems,  I would lean toward the system where I could most easily distinguish between the controls.  

The Measure Now Toggle should have been fixed years ago. Taking the easy way out by changing the color was a waste of time. If Hexagon do not feel the need to change this feature at least make this feature available for Basic scripting automation. This way one could make a simple script to turn this feature on or off globally. For the icon contrast colors, I do find myself spending more time looking for the shape of the icon within the same color icons. Meaning that the color of the icons was a means to sort thru the toolbars. Once one located the color then one can locate the icon shape. Remember, a user interface is like a joke. If you have to explain it, it’s not that good.

I have to agree with Kingsid1.  The issue with the Measure Now button, is more than just turning it on or off.

  • Its location is not appropriate.  It should not be next to icons (which are already too clutter) that deal with coordinates.  If anything, a Measure Now or Once icon should be next to Create and/or Close if editing.  Its location is not intuitive for a user.  Existing PCDDMIS users have the hardest time at adapting to our changes.

  • The mode should not be saved with the feature, or change state if one is editing.  In my view, Measure Once makes sense for editing as the user would be working on a feature and more often than not it would be a change in a region of program he/she does not need execution for (unless so chosen).  I read comments inthe thread about being offline and then online. If offline, Measure Now state should not be allowed to play any role.  I know this can be debated, but to me Measure Now should be a switch for feature creating rather than for feature editing.  If editing (there is no Create button), choosing Measure Now should be a "must click if you need it" rather than a prior mode setting.
  • Colors.  I know we change colors to make things more marketable, more appealing, etc.  I, however, feel that we tend to forget there are people color blind, there are people with vision issues.  I would tell you one general comment I get from customers/users in the field is how often we change icons, and our over use of tiny pictures they cannot make sense out of.  Hovering the mouse for a "Help tip" has turned into the easiest way to find what the icon does.

What is the status with the Measure Now button? How many years will it take to fix this request? At least make this feature available to control using some form of scripting.

-This seems very intuitive.  Measure ONCE button near the create button.  Literally the only time you would need it is right when you would decide while creating it.  It makes complete sense that measure now should move to measure once.

I like this a lot.  Makes more sense.  Flows better.  Has my vote.

In 2017 R2, the Measure Now icon has been given more visual prominence over the other icons on that dialog (through color), and it's image is also aligned with the execute icon. We feel this should make it clearer that switching this on is going to cause movement, and it may be sufficient for this request without adding a warning. It would be interesting to hear feedback on this, and whether a warning is still required. Thanks.

Thank you Neil for the update. Will give this a test asap.

Thanks Dave. It's only in QA at the moment, but should make release prior to the Tech Preview.

Neil, Is this the New Measure Now Toggle ?

Neil, I tested the new Measure Now Toggle and there still is a need for improvement of control for this switch.

The problem with this type of switch is that it will execute without warning. For an example if only one out nine Auto Vector points has this switch left turned on by another programmer. A different programmer opens this program and believed it was opened in offline mode. But instead the program is opened in online mode. Now the programmer needs to adjust the Avoidance Move Distance for all nine Auto Vector points. This programmer now opens the first Auto Vector point changes the distance and checks to see if the Measure Now toggle is off then selects OK. Then moves to the next Auto Vector point and changes that distance and selects OK. Now this programmer is on the seventh Auto Vector point and changes the distance and doesn't realize the Measure Now toggle switch is ON. After changing the Avoidance Move Distance the programmer selects OK. Now this programmer thinks that the program is open in offline mode. But its not and instead the program is online executing that Auto Vector point without warning. Not a safe design for the programmer, operator and equipment.


There should be a way of turning the Measure Now toggle switch OFF without opening every feature that has this switch turned ON.

An option to disable this feature entirely would be great.  At the least, have the toggle visible (and editable) from the command window and a warning before movement is initiated.

Has this being addressed any further?  I see this is a 10 month old thread, but agree with Dave that a warning is kosher and also agree with Dbolt's last comment.  Any time machine motion is impending from an idle state (no current execution), a warning should be given.

Whilst I think the suggestions are good, we are focused on the Idea Center items with higher votes at the moment. I'm sure this ones time will come.

This should have been address when I suggested this back in early 2009 to Gary Hobart when I was part of a Demo for the Vision systems.

I'm just now seeing this. There needs to be a way to turn them all off or disable it for the program. I am constantly editing programs that have it on sporadically and I've had to hit the estop more times than I care to count.

A-machine-insp, I agree. I have not use this setting for over 10 years because the lack of global editing and warnings for this feature. The worst part of this Measure Now Toggle is its location. The Polar/Cartesian Toggle is above the Measure Now Toggle. Example: If one is trying to select the Polar/Cartesian Toggle and notices that, the coordinates did not change. Therefore, one tries to select the Polar/Cartesian Toggle again and now notices the coordinates changing. Editing complete and they select OK and hear the machine moving to try to measure the feature. They hit the E-Stop to stop the machine from crashing. What happen is that when they try to select the Polar/Cartesian Toggle and notices that the coordinates did not change. They did not realize that they selected Measure Now Toggle instead. I just keep thinking who had the bright Idea to have this feature setup this way without any WARNING!!